PPC Horror Stories

This week Matt Umbro (@Matt_Umbro) came up with another great question set titled “Pay-Per-Click Horror Stories.” The following is the transcribed Streamcap from the live chat:

Q1: What’s the worst item/feature you’ve seen in an account you’ve inherited? Why?

  • Does one campaign with one ad group and thousands of keywords count. – Matt Umbro
  • Worst has got to be an account where the client cared about the amount of KWs each week. There was no logic to this. – Steve George (@Sjorge3442)
  • An account for a University had keywords targeting “Online programs”. They did not offer any online programs. – Brandon Bednar (@brandon_bednar)
  • Anytime an account has an active campaign named “Campaign #7” I know I’m in trouble. – Amy Hebdon (@amyppc)
  • Targeting on display ads that let in Dubai for a local service. Who needs to spend money wisely? – Mike Crimmins (@mikecrimmins)
  • Mindless dumps of every possible broad keyword from Keyword Planner. – Timothy Jensen (@timothyjjensen)
  • No negative placements with a majority of impressions going to ABC mobile learning apps. – Gil Hong (@gil__hong)
  • 84 ads in one ad group. – Brooke Townsend (@btownsend13)
  • One campaign. One ad group. Thousands of keywords. – Joe Martinez (@MilwaukeePPC)
  • Ginormous list of KWs many of which were completely random…so many SQRs. – Sarah Holder (@SarahAHolder)
  • Broad Matching for terms that are too Broad to run in those adgroups. Impacting CTR and QS. – Juan Restrepo (@juanrrestrepo)
  • Pageview of the Landing page as conversions. – Doug Thomas (@ferkungamoaboobo)
  • Not the worst, but seeing conversions double count because of GA linking to Adwords. – Matt Umbro
  • Christian university was targeting the keyword Religion… broad match… no mod’s. – Brandon Bednar
  • The broad match keyword “next day” (as a broad), shown worldwide. That was a campaign set up by Google for a UK client. – Steve Gibson (@stevegibsonppc)
  • An account with big spend but absolutely no conversion tracking. It wasn’t a branding campaign. – Andrea Fine (@AndreaFine)
  • Mobile bids down 100% with no data to back that up. – Joe Maritnez
  • All of the keywords were broad match, and there were multiple campaigns with the same broad match keywords. – Hannah Johnson (@MarketingHannah)
  • 477 ad groups one campaign. Over 1200 overall – for client selling just one thing. Lots of overlap/bidding against themselves. – Steve Gibson
  • Just hundreds of broad match keywords (not BMM), many as singular words – and no optimizations in history of account. – Kim Thomas (@PPCkimpossible)
  • Search & Display Select enabled, Bidding set to “Adwords selects bids to meet target budget”. 1 year like this…all GDN clicks. – Kurt Henninger (@KurtHenninger)
  • I once took over an account with $3 a day budget. The keywords averaged a $2-3 CPC. Lots of pressure on that click to convert. – James Hebdon (@jphebdon)
  • 1 campaign, 2 ad groups, 1000+ broad match keywords (no BMM, phrase, or exact)….no conversion tracking. Yup. That happened. – Justin Roberts (@phillyjrob)

Q2: Talk about your worst PPC mistake and what you learned from it?

  • At my first PPC job I didn’t think to check user permissions… old agency still had auto API making changes… for months. – Gil Hong
  • I think I made all of the accounts everyone inherited for A1. Sorry all. I was new. – Mike Crimmins
  • When importing an Adwords account to Bing, Bing defaults to include their display network. Not knowing that cost me $8K once. – Brandon Bednar
  • Leaving geotargeting set to entire USA for a local campaign for a while. Always double check! – Timothy Jensen
  • Thinking that Bing product ads were part of auto-tagging… They’re not. – Brooke Townsend
  • Somehow a modified broad match “+2013” slipped into a campaign. I learned to add a step to check for that to my process. – Michael Fleming (@SEMFlem)
  • Bidding on the word “keyword.” It got tons of clicks and no conversions. It was broad match too. – Melissa Mackey (@Mel66)
  • Leaving the “show ads in other areas” box checked in Bing Ads for a very local account. Lots of imp outside target area. – Julie Bacchini (@NeptuneMoon)
  • I had the incorrect numbers (855 instead of 866) in a call extension. Learned to always triple check before launching. – Francis Shovlin (@fmshovlin)
  • Accidentally adding kw intended as a negative as a kw being bid on. Wasted $$ on high level broad term. – Timothy Jensen
  • Geo targeting a Bing Ads Campaign nationwide not locally. Learned to double-check campaign settings when I import from AdWords. – Jason Sexton (@jasonsexton)
  • I managed 2 different companies in house, accidentally swapped call extension #’s between the two. – Steve George
  • Accidentally added negative kws as positives (discovered $4k later). Refunded client. Learned to triple check work. – Nicole Mintiens (@Tregesy)
  • Missed a decimal point in a bid. Luckily enough, the clicks were still profitable! – Steve Gibson
  • I meant to add a negative keyword, but accidentally added it as a keyword once. Needless to say, that hasn’t happened again. – Hannah Johnson
  • Overlooking that Bing ads does have a language targeting setting except it is done at the adgroup level, unilke Gemini & Adwords. – Juan Restrepo
  • Didn’t realize that changing the case of a KW in the interface (not editor) made it a brand new KW. Deleted some good stuff. – Joe Martinez
  • Spending months over perfecting ad copy, now everything is tested and analyzed. – Sarah Holder
  • Also. Forgetting to properly tag Bing after importing from AdWords. – Brooke Townsend
  • Learned to always ask if the targeted CPA client gives you applies to absolutely ALL products. They might “overlook” stuff. – Roxana Hassel (@RoxanaHassel)
  • A bid I meant to type as 0.15 got entered in as 15, back before AdWords did that “are you sure?” notice for big bid changes. – Amy Hebdon
  • Choosing a tool I thought was right. Learned to ask better questions. – Elizabeth Marsten (@ebkendo)
  • A bid I meant to type as 0.15 got entered in as 15, back before AdWords did that “are you sure?” notice for big bid changes. – Amy Hebdon
  • We had a wall of shame for keywords found on the Search Terms Report. Just don’t let client know about them. – Brandon Bednar
  • Not from the tactical side, but I called a client the wrong name on a call once. I immediately kept talking and moved on like nothing happened. – Matt Umbro
  • Accidentally added some keywords as broad, meant to add them as exact match. – Marina Obsivac (@MarinaObsivac)
  • Always check your remarketing settings. Set your audience, and absolutely make sure to set Target & Bid. – Brian Chausmer (@brianlchaus)
  • Not checking in on a maintenance account that had an expired budget order! – Amy Hebdon
  • I was new, told to make sure to spend full budget.. EoM, $4K to go, took of all the brakes: 45 min later, we’re $6K OVER budget. – James Hebdon
  • Forgot to add proper tracking to URLs and it made the analytics end a nightmare… whoops! Never forget your tracking! – Meisha Bochicchio (@MarketingMeisha)
  • A client wanted to bid on MEAT in broad, I regret not putting up more of a fight, especially when it was SQR time. – Jill Trujillo (@JillTruJillo)
  • Pulled a monthly spend projection…that was actually a week’s projection through the KW planner. – Justin Roberts
  • Launched an ad on a test page not knowing it would only be live for 2 weeks, always double check first. – Sarah Holder
  • Not the worst, but an agency I used; a broad DKI ad ended up with the headline “Buy Kids Online”. Several complaints! – Dan Barker (@danbarker)

Q3: What’s a PPC “life lesson” you’ve learned that has stuck with you throughout your career? Why?

  • I’m going to go with learn from your mistakes and always keep learning. – Mike Crimmins
  • Hard work works when nothing else will work. – Jonathan Ng (@ThankYouJon)
  • Detail Oriented is not just a buzz word. Its very important and can save costly mistakes. – Brandon Bednar
  • “Measure twice, cut once” so to speak. Making mistakes by going too fast creates 2x the amount of work later. – Susan Wenograd (@SusanEDub)
  • Your process is just as important as knowing your stuff. Guards against mistakes like the ones we’re talking about. – Michael Fleming
  • Be honest and forth coming when you make a mistake. Learn from it, and don’t make the same mistake twice! – Christi Olson (@ChristiJOlson)
  • Do not make assumptions – always confirm what you think is correct. Be sure you fully understand what is being asked. – Julie Bacchini
  • Push back & educate when client has either unrealistic expectations or just plain doesn’t understand something. – Meisha Bochicchio
  • Always, always set proper expectations and make sure you know the parameters of a project before moving forward. – Matt Umbro
  • Setting accurate expectations can save you from a world of hurt/awkward down the road. – Gil Hong
  • Launched audiences to collect data & had it set to Target &Bid. Now I always make sure it’s switched to Bid Only. – Steve George
  • Get. Recent. Changes. – Matt Hopson (@matthopson)
  • Have a process that works and stick to it. But also learn to be flexible. PPC-world changes quickly! – Brooke Townsend
  • There is never nothing to do on an account if you look hard enough. – Roxana Hassel
  • Every account is different. Do what’s right for each account, not what you’re used to doing. – Joe Martinez
  • Reward the good, and the good only. Don’t spend money and time on even a good, valid idea that just ain’t workin’. – Doug Thomas
  • Always testing, trying things out whether it be landing pages, creatives, keywords or targeting, the data will tell. – Juan Restrepo
  • There are lots of ways in PPC (and SEO) to tell a positive story from raw data. Tell an honest, real one instead. – Jesse Semchuck (@jessesem)
  • Details count, ask questions and communicate so that everyone is on the same page. – Jill Trujillo
  • Anytime you take an “us vs them” mentality at the workplace, whether it’s with clients or in-house, you’ll never win. – Brian Chausmer
  • Keep reading, stay updated – things are always changing, there are so many resouces outside your direct team to learn from. – Sarah Holder
  • There is no room for subjectivity or bias. – Marina Obsivac
  • Always listen, read and learn. – Nicole Mintiens
  • Work to gain not just a breadth of experience, but depth of it. Learn all the things, but learn it well, understand it, use it. – Kim Thomas
  • Iterate & learn. Reserve your management hours for after a launch, rather than an epic buildout before it goes live. – Amy Hebdon
  • Also, overcommunicate until you are comfortable with the client – better to be safe than sorry. – Marr Umbro
  • Listen. If you listen to your client you’ll understand the business & help them better. And listening is just important in life. – Hannah Johnson
  • Proper account structure is critical. – Marina Obsivac
  • Not bogging down a non-PPC C-level w/PPC KPIs. Instead, speaking to their business goals & how PPC impacts their bottom line. – Justin Roberts
  • Not that long ago – going from contractor to agency, I had to totally relearn how to communicate with a team. It was humbling.

Q4: Talk about a PPC practice totally shunned upon, but you actually saw good results?

  • Not sure how “shunned” DKI is but we use it for a lot of our travel related clients and see good results from it in testing. – Meisha Bochicchio
  • There are people out there…. that actually like…. spammy UX on the LP. – Gil Hong
  • Search Partners has mostly been a good thing for me. Don’t fear lower CTRs without looking at conversions. – Joe Martinez
  • Bidding to lower positions in certain verticals. May not be completely frowned upon (unless you talk to Google reps), but still. – Justin Roberts
  • Broad match can be awesome if you have a solid negative keyword list built out. – Brandon Bednar
  • Client needed thousands of leads, under $2 CPA. All broad keywords, search w/ display select, CO and mobile-only did the trick. – Brian Chausmer
  • Intentional typos in the ad text. – Marina Obsivac
  • I think broad match can work well in some cases with the right negatives or with some + modifiers. – Meisha Bochicchio
  • Maybe not a bad practice, but nothing worked in one campaign but one random GDN site – we got 90% of leads from that site. – Matt Umbro
  • Speaking of “shunned” – We haven’t tried this but has anyone run ads on a direct competitor’s brand name? Results?? – Meisha Bochicchio
    • Really fun from LP and CRO perspective because you can get really nasty with comparisons. Really low ROI. – Doug Thomas
    • I’ve seen it work in some cases and really fail badly in others. Depends on the industry I think. – Brandon Bednar
    • Yes. Don’t expect huge conversion numbers, but can work. At least gets coverage/visibility too. – Julie Bacchini
    • Yeah, having great success in one account by saying “get a comparison quote.” – Michael Fleming
  • Rebuilt a campaign in Spanish ignoring results from english campaign. – Sarah Holder
  • Once removed a boatload of duplicates – the account tanked until I added them back in. Kept trying, kept tanking. – James Hebdon
  • I rarely use 3rd party tools for kwd research. Of all the PPC levers, I find “spying” on competitor kwds is least productive. – Amy Hebdon
  • I had a supplements campaign have 3 campaigns with 1 ad group each of 1000s of keywords at $0.10 bids – it worked though! – Matt Umbro
  • I still want to say moving to Enhanced Campaigns, but it depends on the definition of “good results”. – Christi Olson

Q5: Why is it important to fail?

  • Failing makes you realize what was important in the first place. – Matt Luken (@tunadonut)
  • I don’t know that it’s important to fail, it’s just one potential outcome of trying and learning – both of those are important. – Amy Hebdon
  • Failing forces you to learn and to subsequently do things better. – Julie Bacchini
  • You gain experience on what works and what doesn’t & can find boundaries between the two. – Kurt Henninger
  • Someone mentioned this earlier, but you (almost) always remember better and failing is more likely to drive you to action. – Michael Fleming
  • “And why do we fall, Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up.” – Alfred Pennyworth. Experience builds expertise. – Joe Martinez
  • Plus lessons stick better when you learn the hard way (fail), so maybe that’s something. – Amy Hebdon
  • Failing gives you a good idea of what doesn’t, but it is important to fail smart and learn from it. – Sarah Holder
  • The entire industry is predicated on failure, i.e., testing, and if you can’t handle that, you shouldn’t be in the space. – Brian Chausmer
  • Failure isn’t important – it is just a mechanism for learning. – Richard Fergie (@RichardFergie)
  • I think it’s not just important to fail, but you need to learn from your failures. If not, then it’s a vicious cycle. – Hannah Johnson
  • Learning to fail better is important for succeeding better. – Marina Obsivac
  • If failure itself was the important thing we wouldn’t train novices – we’d just let them get on with it. – Richard Fergie
  • PPC is not an industry where you can be rigid in your thinking & be successful. Must be comfortable w/ try>fail>try again>succeed. – Julie Bacchini
  • Because no matter how smart you are, there are some lessons you will never learn until the pain of failure sears them into you. – James Hebdon
  • I think that is true in many industries. “Failing” or hitting a wall, etc. makes you think differently. – Julie Bacchini
  • Have a 10% conversion rate? Then you’re failing at 90%. If you can’t figure out why you’re failing, you cant make it better! – Paul Kragthorpe (@PaulKragthorpe)

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• Matt Umbro (@Matt_Umbro)
• Paul Kragthorpe (@PaulKragthorpe)
• Amy Hebdon (@amyppc)
• Andrea Fine (@AndreaFine)
• Brandon Bednar (@brandon_bednar)
• Brian Chausmer (@brianlchaus)
• Brooke Townsend (@btownsend13)
• Christi Olson (@ChristiJOlson)
• Dan Barker (@danbarker)
• Doug Thomas (@ferkungamoaboobo)
• Elizabeth Marsten (@ebkendo)
• Francis Shovlin (@fmshovlin)
• Gil Hong (@gil__hong)
• Hannah Johnson (@MarketingHannah)
• James Hebdon (@jphebdon)
• Jason Sexton (@jasonsexton)
• Jesse Semchuck (@jessesem)
• Jill Trujillo (@JillTruJillo)
• Joe Martinez (@MilwaukeePPC)
• Jonathan Ng (@ThankYouJon)
• Juan Restrepo (@juanrrestrepo)
• Julie Bacchini (@NeptuneMoon)
• Justin Roberts (@phillyjrob)
• Kim Thomas (@PPCkimpossible)
• Kurt Henninger (@KurtHenninger)
• Marina Obsivac (@MarinaObsivac)
• Matt Hopson (@matthopson)
• Matt Luken (@tunadonut)
• Meisha Bochicchio (@MarketingMeisha)
• Melissa Mackey (@Mel66)
• Michael Fleming (@SEMFlem)
• Mike Crimmins (@mikecrimmins)
• Nicole Mintiens (@Tregesy)
• Richard Fergie (@RichardFergie)
• Roxana Hassel (@RoxanaHassel)
• Sarah Holder (@SarahAHolder)
• Steve George (@Sjorge3442)
• Steve Gibson (@stevegibsonppc)
• Susan Wenograd (@SusanEDub)
• Timothy Jensen (@timothyjjensen)
 

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This is a guest post by Paul Kragthorpe; works at WebRanking in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
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